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		<description><![CDATA[1. Does IFRS require consolidated accounts to be reported for subsidiary companies pursuing dissimilar activities?
2. Do companies within the EU have to use IFRS as a standard?  Are other standards allowed?
3. It is common practice, according to a publication, that consolidated accounts are prepared from the point of view of the parent company, thus, separating the fair values of minority interests.  Is this practice being worked upon by IASB?
If possible, please quote the relevant standard and the location of the source copy.





		
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Does IFRS require consolidated accounts to be reported for subsidiary companies pursuing dissimilar activities?</p>
<p>2. Do companies within the EU have to use IFRS as a standard?  Are other standards allowed?</p>
<p>3. It is common practice, according to a publication, that consolidated accounts are prepared from the point of view of the parent company, thus, separating the fair values of minority interests.  Is this practice being worked upon by IASB?</p>
<p>If possible, please quote the relevant standard and the location of the source copy.</p>


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		<title>Consolidation adjustments</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>srm1930</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Members
Please advice, how to give effect of consolidation adjustments of the previous year into the current year. how do i give effect of goodwill and minority interest which was passed in the previous year in the current year.
your early response will be helpful.
 
best regards
Suraj Ratan Mohta
srm1930@gmail.com 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Members</p>
<p>Please advice, how to give effect of consolidation adjustments of the previous year into the current year. how do i give effect of goodwill and minority interest which was passed in the previous year in the current year.</p>
<p>your early response will be helpful.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>best regards</p>
<p>Suraj Ratan Mohta</p>
<p><a href="mailto:srm1930@gmail.com ">srm1930@gmail.com </a></p>
<p>cell No.9820297934</p>


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		<dc:creator>chirag_d</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear All,
Please let me know the treatment of Existing negative goodwill incase of first time adoption of IFRS
Regards
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Please let me know the treatment of Existing negative goodwill incase of first time adoption of IFRS</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear All,
Request your valuable advice on the entries to be passed in the books of 1. Consolidated company 2. Stand Alone Parent Company for the purchase of shares on March 1,2009 and also the treatment of Goodwill.
Company X had already acquired 50 % of shares of Company Y 2 years back for a cash consideration of $65,000(Total Value of Common Stock/shares #1000).The parent company has been recording the investment under equity method and as on Feb 28,2009, the carrying value of investment is $69,000 (after considering the post acquisition share ...


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Request your valuable advice on the entries to be passed in the books of 1. Consolidated company 2. Stand Alone Parent Company for the purchase of shares on March 1,2009 and also the treatment of Goodwill.</p>
<p>Company X had already acquired 50 % of shares of Company Y 2 years back for a cash consideration of $65,000(Total Value of Common Stock/shares #1000).The parent company has been recording the investment under equity method and as on Feb 28,2009, the carrying value of investment is $69,000 (after considering the post acquisition share of profits).</p>
<p>On March 1,2009, the parent company has purchased the balance 50% shares for a consideration of $1 , the networth of the company Y being negative ($269K) as on Feb 28,2009.</p>
<p>Please advice what entries needs to be passed under 1. IFRS 2. USGAAP.</p>
<p>Please quote relavant accounting standards, wherever necessary. </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Ganesh</p>


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I am an Austrian student and I would like to write about consolidation. More specifically I am going to write a comparison between full consolidated corporations and consolidation at equity. As far as I know, equity consolidation exists as term in german, but not in English. In English it is referred to as elimination of balances according to IAS 27 debt consolidation. IFRS 3 – Business Combinations is going to be relevant for me as well. 
 
I am in the need of some good literature to read up ...


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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hello, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I am an Austrian student and I would like to write about consolidation. More specifically I am going to write a comparison between full consolidated corporations and consolidation at equity. As far as I know, equity consolidation exists as term in german, but not in English. In English it is referred to as elimination of balances according to IAS 27 debt consolidation. IFRS 3 – Business Combinations is going to be relevant for me as well. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I am in the need of some good literature to read up on the topic. I would like to write my master’s thesis in English and therefore it is quite difficult to find english according literature in university libraries. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">However, if you could recommend me a good book on the topic, I am going to buy it. I just want to avoid buying a book which is not connected to my topic at all. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">So far I am reading german literature and “A Global Guide to Accounting for Business Combinations and Noncontrolling Interests Application of the U.S. GAAP and IFRS Standards” by PriceWaterhouseCoopers. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thanks, </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Willi</span></p>


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<p>Please give me your opinion on forex loss on Assets. Do you capitalize it or do expense it to the foreign loss</p></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">dear strauss,,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">in the normal course of business, an account namely &#8220;profit/loss on currency exchange rate&#8221; is opened under the caption of &#8220;share capital &amp; reserves&#8221;.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">for more understanding, plz mention the company business.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Regards,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">amamd</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">dear strauss,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">it will be precessed through income statement, it will not be capitalized. . . today, most of softwares provide previlege of mutilple currency. . .</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">for your understanding, you should present it through profit &amp; loss statement under the head &#8220;gain/loss on currency exchange&#8221;.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Regards,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">ammad</span></div>
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<div>Danella,<br />
there are two different issues around foreign currency:<br />
1) Translation adjustements on consolidation while translating the balance sheet from the operating to the functional currency. These differences are accounted for under translation adjustments directly through equity as these are basically unrealized gains/losses.<br />
2) Foreign exchange gains or losses on transactions. When recognizing assets, all costs directly attributable to that asset should be capitalized. That would include foreign currency losses. The same method applies for fixed as well as financial assets.<br />
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I hope that helps,<br />
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Jeroen</div>
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<p>As per A S 11. we cannot capitalise the forex loss on fixed asset but we have certain criteria to capitalise.</p>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial;">dear Danella,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial;">plz explain the situation in detail you are encountering.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial;">thanx &amp; regards,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: Arial;">ammad</span></div>
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<div>Any expenditure directly linked to the formation of assets is reflected in the cost of asset&#8230;&#8230;</div>
<div>when added to cost of asset they become eligible for depriciation.any foriegn exchange on a capital transaction is a capital loss and hence by any stretch of imagination cannot be charged to Revenue&#8230;.leave alone any standard.</div>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;">We bought equipment- Specifically to upgrade our CORE   from a foreign supplier before our Financial Year-end. The equipment arrived at our warehouse before year-end, because of some reason we could not arrive the equipment on our system. But the transaction  were recognize at the rate as at year-end.  We didn&#8217;t hedge the transaction. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;">The payment were due in October which is after year-end. The South African Rand were much weaker against the USD, which means our forex loss in the new year is extremely high. The liability relating to this assets is much higher than at year-end.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;">Hope this explain a bit more</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;">Danella</span></p>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">such currency difference will be incorporatred as increase in the value of asset and will capitalized over the life of asset.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">ammad</span></div>
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<div>Which means the asset became more expensive and it should be capitalized for the higher amount (intial cost + forex costs)</div>
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<p>Dear Danella</p>
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<p>The assets should be capitalized when it is received and put to use.<br />
The foreign currency will be transalated based on the bill of lading<br />
date. Assets should be debited and liability should be credited. Later<br />
on while making the payment whatever loss or profit on transaltion<br />
arises should be expensed/ income and not to be capitalized. The<br />
payment has nothing to do with assets capitalization.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Hemant</p>
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<p>Danella,</p>
<p>I double checked after the comment below, and I agree with Hemant. IAS 21.28 explicitly states that gains/losses on forex should be recognized in P&amp;L. The forex is not attributable to the asset but to the financial liability.</p>
<p>My apologies for my earlier answer.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Jeroen</p>
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<p>As far as AS-11 and Companies Act 1956 is concerned there is contradictry between these two. AS-11 suggest for charging it in P&amp;L where Act permits to adjust it with value of Assets. But section 211 of Act says that books of accounts must be kept as per accounting standards. So, in my opinion it should be charged against profit.</p>
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With regards,<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear all,
I have a question in relation to acquisition accounting in accordance with
IFRS3. In this case a parent company A acquires all the shares in
subsidiary company B for (say) 50M. This cost price represents a goodwill
over the fair value of the assets and libailities assumed of 15M. Where
should I record the 15M goodwill? Is this in the subsidiary company B or
in parent company A?


Based on IAS21, p. 47, I would say in the sub.
All the best, Farah

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="gmail_quote">Dear all,</div>
<p>I have a question in relation to acquisition accounting in accordance with<br />
IFRS3. In this case a parent company A acquires all the shares in<br />
subsidiary company B for (say) 50M. This cost price represents a goodwill<br />
over the fair value of the assets and libailities assumed of 15M. Where<br />
should I record the 15M goodwill? Is this in the subsidiary company B or<br />
in parent company A?</p>
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<p>Based on IAS21, p. 47, I would say in the sub.<br />
All the best, Farah</p>
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<p>As per IFRS 3 Goodwill acquired on consolidation is supposed to be shown<br />
in the Consolidated account of the parent company in this case A.<br />
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<p>It is recognised in neither the Parent company nor the sub( Seperate Financial Statements). Goodwill is only ever recognised seperately in the consolidated financial statements.The calculation of goodwill based on Cost price over the net assets fairly valued is perfectly correct. However please note with the new IFRS3 &amp; IAS27, the amount of goodwill can also be calculated based on the &#8220;full goodwill&#8221; method. <br />
<span style="color: #888888;">Shivan</p>
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<p>There are two legal entities: P Parent S Subsidiary<br />
Remener records are kept in Parent company to take account of its investment in S;<br />
In the books of the parent company P under Non current Assets it will record Inventment in S as $50M<br />
Consolidation is done to show the financial position of the group; as though it was one entity.</p>
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<p>At this point goodwill $15m shall be recognised as purchased goodwill in the consolidated accounts. Neither P nor S will show records of goodwill.<br />
The goodwill can be armotised over a period as prescribed by the directors and managemet or it can be written off to consolidated retained earnings.<br />
Remember $50m is the cost of investment in S. It must be used to arrive at the goodwill figure of $15M as a consolidation item. The underlying figure of $35m<br />
represents net assets of the Subsidiary S at the date of acquisition.</p>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>Shivan is perfectly correct according to the mail below. Goodwill in this situation can not be recorded in any of the entity&#8217;s book (parent and subsidiary) but rather on the consolidated statement of financial position. Please also refer to the new IFRS3 to get update on the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">full goodwill approach</span>. </div>
<p>William</p>
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<div>Hi Henry,</div>
<div>I agree with you on all the other information provided in your mail but not when you said goodwill should be amortized as determined by the directors. According to IFRS standards, goodwill should not be amortized but rather reviewed for impairment annually.</p>
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<p>it should be shown in the parents group accounts as a nca ant annually tested for impairment not amortised</p></div>
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<div>Hi Martijn,</div>
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<div>As per IFRS3 itself, I suggest you use the ACCA search engine and type IFRS3, you&#8217;ll have all the explanation you want or go to the link below</div>
<div><a href="http://www.accaglobal.com/members/publications/accounting_business/cpd/IFRS3" target="_blank">http://www.accaglobal.com/members/publications/accounting_business/cpd/IFRS3</a></div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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<p>Hi martijn,<br />
The structure is such that, consolidation is consolidation of 2 balance sheets to find the consolidated assets and liabilities and networth.</p>
<p>In the standalone balance sheet of Holding:<br />
Investment is shown as cost in the asset side of the Balance Sheet. Unless there is a change in carrying amount.<br />
To keep it simple, lets say that carrying cost IS cost of acquisition, that is, the consideration paid, in your situation GBP 100.</p>
<p>In the subsidiary&#8217;s standalone BALANCE SHEET, nothing (NOTHING MOVES).<br />
SHARE ARE ACQUIRED FROM SHAREHOLDER not SUBSIDIARY. Maybe from the markets or by approaching the shareholders.</p>
<p>Consolidated statement line by line addition shows goodwill.</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[Dear All , Kindly need your urgent help 
We Have more than 10 companies in different countries and using different currencies : 
1- our holding company send us every month end the conversion rate that we should use for each currency in order to be able to consolidate in 1 reporting currency.
2- Every month we report the PL ( Year to Date figures ) , and the balance with other schedules &#8230;
MY Question is : We should use the average rate of the PL and month end rate for Balance ...


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="mobile-photo"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">Dear All , Kindly need your urgent help </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">We Have more than 10 companies in different countries and using different currencies : </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">1- our holding company send us every month end the conversion rate that we should use for each currency in order to be able to consolidate in 1 reporting currency.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">2- Every month we report the PL ( Year to Date figures ) , and the balance with other schedules &#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">MY Question is :<strong> We should use the average rate of the PL and month end rate for Balance sheet ???? or we should use same rate for both????</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">2- Since we are reporting the PL as Year to Date figures , d<strong>o we have to re-evaluate YTD figures this month on this month rate or only the month and we keep the previous month as the previous re-evaluation ????????</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">to be more clear my question : for the profit and loss : when we report PL January we evaluate and report , so when we report February as YTD do we re-evaluate YTD ( JAN + FRB ) as FEB Month end rate or we keep jan as jan rate already re-evaluated and we evaluate feb as feb rates?????</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">remember i&#8217;m asking on consolidation level</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">Thanks and regards</span><br />
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tony</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">Tony,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">You have to use a month end rate for your Balance sheet and an average rate for you P&amp;L.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">If you are reporting the year-to-date figures, you have to revaluate your P&amp;l with the average rate (In January: January, in February: average Jan+feb, in march: average of Jan+Feb+march)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">For the balance sheet, you have to use the month end rate communicated by your holding. The balance sheet conversion amount you obtain is the sum of different components. Please find attached a spreadsheet with an example, showing the calculation of the revaluations.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">I hope it will be helpful.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">Best regards,</span></span></p>
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<div>1.you should use the average rate for the profit and loss account and  month end rate for the balance sheet</div>
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<div>2. you have to re-evaluate the YTD for pl.</div>
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<p><span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;">I would confirmed these answers.</span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;">Sincerely your,</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;">Stéphane Bellanger &#8211; France</span></span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">Guys thanks for your help </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">Only i have 1 confusion : when we say Re-evalute YTD ,PL ( so average rate should be used for which period , average rate of the YTD period ?) or average rate of the month when i am reporting </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">example :  we are in September 2008 &#8211; reporting YTD- PL- September ( should i use average rate of Sep??? , or average rate of JAN to DEC) ?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: sans-serif;">regards</p>
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<div>Hi<br />
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The average rate covering the reporting period (if the PL is for 3 months means the avergae rate for that three months).</div>
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<div>For the purpose of consolidation my view is that:</div>
<div>1. P &amp; L Account; we should revaluate at the rate existing on the closing date, and</div>
<div>2. BS: similarly for BS too end period rate should be utilized</div>
<div>It would bring uniformity in conversion as regards both the financial statements as to depict profitability for the period ending on a particular date as well as state of affairs on that date.</div>
<div>Rgds.<span class="undefined"><br />
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;">Dear all</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;">You must use a monthly weighted average rate. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;">Using this rate, which is weighted according to sales, gross margin, …  your cumulated sales, costs and/ or gross margin will be less impacted by the difference.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;">Kind regards</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;">Michel</p>
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<p><span class="undefined">Conversion of cross currency transactions is basically to represent in real and absolute terms of the currency in which you are converting rather than for weighing which will give a better impact on your profitabilities. </span></p>
<p>So, the reply given by Mr. Ashutosh two threads below is correct.</p>
<p>Good Luck</p></div>
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		<description><![CDATA[Por favor podría alguien indicarme en donde puedo encontrar
información sobre metodologías para la medición del deterioro del
Goodwill. Sería Adecuado usar multiplos como base para su medición.
Please could someone tell me where can I find information on
methodologies for the measurement of impairment of Goodwill. Could i
use the methodology of multiples as a basis of measurement
Sincerely
Wilmar


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You can send me a private note in Spanish if you like
That said as the Group is an English speaking one here is my view
(others might disagree)
1. Under IFRS the impairment testing is two fold
a) Th consolidation ...


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Por favor podría alguien indicarme en donde puedo encontrar<br />
información sobre metodologías para la medición del deterioro del<br />
Goodwill. Sería Adecuado usar multiplos como base para su medición.</p>
<p>Please could someone tell me where can I find information on<br />
methodologies for the measurement of impairment of Goodwill. Could i<br />
use the methodology of multiples as a basis of measurement</p>
<p>Sincerely</p>
<p>Wilmar</p>
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<p>Wilmar</p>
<p>You can send me a private note in Spanish if you like</p>
<p>That said as the Group is an English speaking one here is my view<br />
(others might disagree)</p>
<p>1. Under IFRS the impairment testing is two fold</p>
<p>a) Th consolidation unit (HeadQuarters) do the impairment testing on a<br />
world-wide basis but</p>
<p>b) The cash generation unit (subsidiary) is also supposed to do its<br />
own profit &amp; loss projections as kind of an early warning system</p>
<p>2. Under US GAAP only 1 is followed which gives a lot of surprises at<br />
year-end. If I was wrong, many CFOs have realised that US GAAP is much<br />
more vague than IFRS and are now using technical valuation firms (not<br />
external audit firms) to assess the impairment of goodwill on a<br />
world-wide basis. The ironic story is that in 7 years running I have<br />
seen under US GAAP big impairments in the US not only because of<br />
investments in Europe &amp; Asia but majorly because divisions of the<br />
business in the US were loss makers. Therefore if 1.b) above would be<br />
in place the US companies would be less exposed</p>
<p>To get to the bottom of this on the topic go to <a href="http://pwcglobal.com">pwcglobal.com</a> and type<br />
differences between US GAAP and IFRS, download the PDF document and<br />
you will be able to read the relevant sections in relation to goodwill</p>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Can anyone let me know, whether it is necessary to allocated the<br />
goodwill to cash generating units, arising in the year of business<br />
combination and further test for impairment in the same year.</p>
<p>Logically, i would say the since purchase price allocation is carried<br />
out, the residual number would represent goodwill for the year of<br />
purchase and it should be evaluated for impairment in the following<br />
period.</p>
<p>Request the thoughts of the group on this..</p>
<p>Ankur</p>
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<p>Ankur,</p>
<p>Please review IAS 36, paragraphs 80 &#8211; 99 &#8211; they should address your question.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Millard</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[Please let me know the treatment of Inter company loan waiver.Example 
Company A is fellow subsidiary of company B.
And company B has given loan to company A for $ 10,000 and there is accrued interest of $ 1000 on loan.
Now Company B waive off all loans and interest.
Under IFRS it should be charged to P&#38; L or equity?
Regards,
Hello,


 
It should be charged to to P&#38;L, as revenue. Essentially, the company received some cash for free; that&#8217;s revenue.
Regards,
While preparing the stand alone books of Company A and B, it should be charged to ...


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Arial;">Please let me know the treatment of Inter company loan waiver.</span><span style="font-family:Arial;">Example</span> </p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial;">Company A is fellow subsidiary of company B.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial;">And company B has given loan to company A for $ 10,000 and there is accrued interest of $ 1000 on loan.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial;">Now Company B waive off all loans and interest.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;">Under IFRS it should be charged to P&amp; L or equity?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Microsoft Sans Serif';">Regards,</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000080;font-family:'Microsoft Sans Serif';"><span id="more-518"></span></span>Hello,</div>
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<p>It should be charged to to P&amp;L, as revenue. Essentially, the company received some cash for free; that&#8217;s revenue.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p><!--more-->While preparing the stand alone books of Company A and B, it should be charged to P&amp;L account.</div>
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<div>but at the time of consolidation, both the entry will be knocked off and no impact on the consolidated financials.</div>
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<div>best regards</div>
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		<description><![CDATA[Company A holds total control over the board of directors of company B. But it does not have any voting rights in the company B. 
Is company A required to consolidate the results of company B with its  own results.
If yes, what is the share of results to be included for line by line consolidation. 
&#8211;
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As per IFRS 27, Parent Company should have more than half of the voting rights of the subisdairy company for consolidation.


 
 
Following should be taken into consideration for substantive operating companies:
Own more than 50 percent of the voting ...


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div dir="ltr">Company A holds total control over the board of directors of company B. But it does not have any voting rights in the company B. </p>
<div class="Ih2E3d">Is company A required to consolidate the results of company B with its  own results.<br />
If yes, what is the share of results to be included for line by line consolidation. </div>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Regards,</p>
<p><span id="more-509"></span><!--more-->As per IFRS 27, Parent Company should have more than half of the voting rights of the subisdairy company for consolidation.</p>
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<p><!--more-->Following should be taken into consideration for substantive operating companies:</p>
<div class="Ih2E3d">Own more than 50 percent of the voting power of an entity<br />
Have power to control greater than 50 percent of the voting rights via agreement with other investors<br />
Have the power to govern finacial and operating policies of the entity under a statute or an agreement<br />
Have power to cast the majority of the votes at the meetings of the BOD or equivalent governing body and control of the entity is by that board or body.<br />
Have power to appoint or remove the majority of  BOD or equivalent governing body and control of the entity is by that board or body.  </p>
<p>If yes to any one of them above then should consolidate,</p></div>
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Dear All , 
Now we are part of an International Company : so we have to report monthly figures of our 35 units , our 35 units are in different country so different  currency , 
We are Consolidating all the units in The Holding and we report one figure to the Worldwide company , every month they send us the rate that we should use.
MY QUESTION IS : AS PER MY KNOWLEDE FIXED ASSETS SHOULD HAVE A HISTORICAL RATE AND WE SHOULD NOT DO A MONTHLY EVALUATION FOR THAT  , ...


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<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:x-small;">Dear All , </span><br />
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:x-small;">Now we are part of an International Company : so we have to report monthly figures of our 35 units , our 35 units are in different country so different  currency , </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:x-small;">We are Consolidating all the units in The Holding and we report one figure to the Worldwide company , every month they send us the rate that we should use.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:x-small;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">MY QUESTION IS </span></strong>: AS PER MY KNOWLEDE FIXED ASSETS SHOULD HAVE A HISTORICAL RATE AND WE SHOULD NOT DO A MONTHLY EVALUATION FOR THAT  , BUT THEY ARE ASKING US TO DO SO .</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:x-small;">CAN ANY ONE ADVISE HOW WE DEAL WITH FIXED ASSETS IF THERE IS MONTHLY EVALUATION????</span><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span id="more-508"></span></span></div>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Hi Tony</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Historical cost is used when we have acquired fixed asset in foreign currency (21.23(b)). But while consolidating and presenting financial statements in presentation currency, closing rate should be used. (21.39(a)).</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000080;font-family:Arial;">I hope this will help.</span></p>
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<div>Dear Tony,</div>
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<div>I agreed with your aproach &#8211; fixed assets should be kept at hystorical cost and that&#8217;s it all about.</div>
<div>No revaluations are necesary in foreign currency.</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
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<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';font-size:small;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Dear Tony</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';font-size:small;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';font-size:small;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">For Consolidation purpose, IAS21 uses closing rate method. Then you should used <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">closing rate</span></span></strong> for all assets and liabilities to translation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';font-size:small;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Fixed assets used historical rate when you used for foreign currency transactions. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';font-size:small;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Don&#8217;t be confused about foreign currency transactions VS Foreign currency translation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';font-size:small;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Consolidation process used Foreign currency translation from functional currency </span></span><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';"><span>into a different presentation currency.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';">Best Regards;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';font-size:small;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Wichet</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';font-size:small;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Bodoni MT';font-size:small;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">PS. Please see Vikas&#8217; opinion, I strongly agreed with him.</span></span></p>
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Hi dear all 
 
Can someone help me in finding best consolidation notes in the context of IFRS-27, and the material should be the best in its use and at least 30 pages.
 
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Hi Ahsan, 


You can get full set of IFRS Illustrative financial statement of Big fours via Google search.

 
 


 





		
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<div>Can someone help me in finding best consolidation notes in the context of IFRS-27, and the material should be the best in its use and at least 30 pages.</div>
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<div class="Ih2E3d">You can get full set of IFRS Illustrative financial statement of Big fours via Google search.</div>
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Kindly if an entity is reporting to group of companies as subsidiary because the holding company own 49% of this company only so on the consolidation level we are consolidating the equity only , my question for the trade transactions between this entity and other group entities will be classified as Inter-company transaction or as trade creditors ( like any external supplier) ???
regards  
tony

As per IAS, under consolidation, inter company transactions and inter company profits are to be eliminated.



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<div class="Ih2E3d"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:x-small;">Kindly if an entity is reporting to group of companies as subsidiary because the holding company own 49% of this company only so on the consolidation level we are consolidating the equity only , my question for the trade transactions between this entity and other group entities will be classified as Inter-company transaction or as trade creditors ( like any external supplier) ???</span><br />
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:x-small;">regards</span>  </p>
<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:x-small;">tony<br />
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<p><span id="more-486"></span><span style="color:#000080;font-family:'High Tower Text';">As per IAS, under consolidation, inter company transactions and inter company profits are to be eliminated.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000066;font-family:'High Tower Text';">Best Regards</span></p>
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<div>Yes, as normal inter-company only and eliminating transactions are at the holding level.</div>
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<div>Thanks<span style="color:#888888;"><!--more--></span><span style="font-family:0;">Dear Hemant , </span></div>
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<div class="Ih2E3d"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:x-small;">I know that interco will be eliminated as per IFRS but my question is : since its associate because we own 49% and we are consolidating the profit only so will be considered as interco or others?</span><br />
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Tony</span>  </p>
<p><!--more--><span style="color:#000080;font-family:'High Tower Text';">Yes, as inter company only and not as other creditors, because in the consolidated financial statement of the holding company inter company balances will be knocked off which can not be possible in creditors.</span></div>
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<p><span style="color:#000066;font-family:'High Tower Text';"><!--more--></span><span style="color:#1f497d;">Dear,</span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt;color:#1f497d;">See extract IAS28, p22:</span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Profits and losses</span> resulting from &#8216;upstream&#8217; and &#8216;downstream&#8217; transactions between an investor (including its consolidated <span><a href="http://eifrs.iasb.org/eifrs/stdcontent/2008_Bound_Volume/IAS28c_2004-03-31_en-3.html#SL147989" target="_blank">subsidiaries</a></span>) and an <span><a href="http://eifrs.iasb.org/eifrs/stdcontent/2008_Bound_Volume/IAS28c_2004-03-31_en-3.html#SL147982" target="_blank">associate</a></span> are recognised in the investor&#8217;s financial statements only to the extent of unrelated investors&#8217; interests in the associate. &#8216;Upstream&#8217; transactions are, for example, sales of assets from an associate to the investor. &#8216;Downstream&#8217; transactions are, for example, sales of assets from the investor to an associate. The investor&#8217;s share in the associate&#8217;s profits and losses resulting from these transactions is eliminated.</p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;color:#1f497d;">All the best, Farah</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d;"><!--more--></span><span style="font-family:0;">Dear Farah </span></div>
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<div class="Ih2E3d"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:x-small;">I appreciate your reply , but it seems there is a bit confusion , i need answer very specific to this point ( if we are consolidating the associate entity on the Holding level only in the equity.   we are not consolidating the balance sheet we take our part of their profit and add it to the profit ) in this case do we have to detail the interco transaction??? and eliminate them ???? as we eliminate other Interco transactions??</span> <br />
<span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:x-small;">do we have to consider their balances as Interco or other creditors or debtors??</span>  </p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:x-small;">best regards<!--more--><span style="font-family:'Lucida Grande';">Dear Tony</span></span></div>
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<p>Please refer paragraph 29 of IAS 28 (2008). Perhaps that will answer your query.</p>
<p>Regards<!--more--><span style="color:#000080;font-family:Arial;">Dear All, </span></div>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">In my understanding, it is require toeliminate pre-profit by adjusting profit in the closing stock.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000080;font-family:Arial;">Thanks,</span></p>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><span>Tony,</span></span></span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span><span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><span>W</span>ill be  classified as intercoy payables/receivables and a note will be added to show the  related party transaction balances<span>.</span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span><span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><span>Best  regards,</span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><!--more--><span style="font-family:0;">See IAS 28.22: the investor&#8217;s share in the associate&#8217;s profits and losses resulting from these transactions (note upstream and downstream transactions) is eliminated.</span></div>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear All
 
If a company is issuing shares to its parent compnay on stage by stage basis then what will be procedure to calculate goodwill and minority interest.
 
for eg.
 
on 20/03/2008 &#8211; suppose a Company (ABC) &#8211; subsidiary comapny issues shares to its parent company (XYZ). at that time the % of share holding of parent is 33% and again on May 2008 ABC issues shares to XYZ. After the 2nd allotment the holding of XYZ becomes 70%.
 
Now please advice the method for calculating goodwill and minority interest for the Financials as on 31.12.2007.
 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Dear All</div>
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<div>If a company is issuing shares to its parent compnay on stage by stage basis then what will be procedure to calculate goodwill and minority interest.</div>
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<div>on 20/03/2008 &#8211; suppose a Company (ABC) &#8211; subsidiary comapny issues shares to its parent company (XYZ). at that time the % of share holding of parent is 33% and again on May 2008 ABC issues shares to XYZ. After the 2nd allotment the holding of XYZ becomes 70%.</div>
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<div>Now please advice the method for calculating goodwill and minority interest for the Financials as on 31.12.2007.</div>
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<p><strong><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-weight:bold;">Dear Suraj</span></span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-weight:bold;">Your example is step or partial acquisitions. I can analyse your case as follows:</span></span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-weight:bold;">Example</span></span></strong><br />
ABC holds a 33% stake in XYZ and consolidates XYZ as a subsidiary. On 20 May 2008 the net identifiable assets of XYZ that were included in the consolidated balance sheet amounted to $50 million. At this date the assets had a fair value of $55 million. On 20 May 2008 ABC purchased a further 37% of the issued shares of XYZ for $22 million.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Under the principles we have just discussed the net assets of XYZ would be revalued to $55 million for consolidation purposes. Therefore, just prior to the purchase the minority interest in XYZ would be $36.85 million ($55 million X 67%). The effect of the share purchase would be to reduce the minority interest to 30% and so it would become $16.50 million. Therefore the reduction in the minority interest is $20.35 million. The group has paid $22 million to achieve this reduction of $20.35 million and so goodwill of $1.65 million would be recognised. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">The rationale behind this treatment is that essentially the group has an 70% subsidiary. Therefore, the carrying value of its net identifiable assets in the consolidated financial statements should be based on fair value at the date the subsidiary became an 70% subsidiary. This applies whether the subsidiary was purchased in one transaction or in a series of transactions.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Best Regards</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Mac</span></span></div>
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Need a little help on this one.
When it has been determined under SIC 12 that an SPE will need to be consolidated, where would one book the equity of the SPE in the consolidated financial statements of the parent entity? Does anyone in the group have a worked example of the consolidation procedure?
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It would simply a separate form of equity (call it Special equity or Other
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<p>Need a little help on this one.</p>
<p>When it has been determined under SIC 12 that an SPE will need to be consolidated, where would one book the equity of the SPE in the consolidated financial statements of the parent entity? Does anyone in the group have a worked example of the consolidation procedure?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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<p>It would simply a separate form of equity (call it Special equity or Other<br />
equity) without control over the core parent company and subsidiaries and<br />
with special rights in respect of the allocation of income.</p>
<p>Disclose the specialties around this part of equity and consider to separate<br />
it from group equity but not as liabilities (in between them), disclose<br />
headline from the SPE&#8217;s articles and indicate why it is still included.</p>
<p>I would be able to help you more but then we have to come to a contract,</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
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<p>Dear</p>
<p>Consolidation procedure will be same.</p>
<p>Eliminate investment in SPV and take net assets of SPV (since SPV may<br />
not have net assets , net assets of the compnay for which SPV is formed<br />
if it has a control)</p>
<p>With Best Wishes and Regards</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arial;&#8221;>Hi
 
When a parent company preperaing consolidated financials lost control and reaches significant influence , attracking equity method.
 
The change in ownership of subsidiary should be accounted for subsequently or to restate the prior period.
 
That is equity method should be applied from the date of change or should do this restructring from prior period financial staement presented.
thanks 
With Best Wishes and Regards
SHABI


 
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When part of an investment in a subsidiary is sold during the reporting period, the parent should record its investment after the disposal in the consolidated accounts as follows:
- If a ...


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arial;&#8221;><span>Hi</span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;"><span>When a parent company preperaing consolidated financials lost control and reaches significant influence , attracking equity method.</span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;"><span>The change in ownership of subsidiary should be accounted for subsequently or to restate the prior period.</span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;"><span>That is equity method should be applied from the date of change or should do this restructring from prior period financial staement presented.</span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;"><span>thanks </span></span></div>
<p><strong><em><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: TimesTen Roman;">With Best Wishes and Regards</span></em></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: TimesTen Roman;">SHABI</p>
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<div>When part of an investment in a subsidiary is sold during the reporting period, the parent should record its investment after the disposal in the consolidated accounts as follows:</div>
<p>- If a parent sells a portion of its investment in a subsidiary but still retains a controlling interest, the minority interest in the results of the subsidiary would be calculated for the period from the date of disposal.  Subsequent consolidated balance sheets should include the assets, liabilities, and operations of the subsidiary, and reflect the new minority interest.</p>
<div>- If the parent sells a controlling interest in the subsidiary but still retains significant influence over it, the subsequent results should be reported using the equity method.  The remaining investment should be reflected in subsequent balance sheets as a single line item, using the equity method in accordance with IAS 28, Investments in Associates.</div>
<p>- If the parent sells a controlling interest in the subsidiary and retains some interest in the entity, but does not retain significant influence over it, the interest in the entity should be accounted for in accordance with IAS 39, Financial Instruments: Recognition and Measurement, from the date of the transaction.  The carrying amount of the investment at the date the entity ceases to be a subsidiary shall be regarded as the cost on initial measurement of a financial asset in accordance with IAS 39.</p>
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<div>When all of a subsidiary is sold (or if an interest is retained, but the interest does not allow the parent to exert significant influence over the subsidiary), and if the sale of the subsidiary qualifies as a discontinued operation, presentation of the discontinued operation should follow IFRS 5, Non-current Assets Held for Sale and Discontinued Operations.</div>
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<div>So, as you can see, the application is prospectively not retroactively.</div>
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<div>Hopes this could be useful,</div>
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<div>Best Regards,</div>
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<div>Rodrigo</p>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;"><span>Thanks Rodrigo</span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;"><span>If this is my case:</span></span></div>
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<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;">Can I apply equity accounting from begining of the period????</span></span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">I assume this is not part of a decision to discontinue the operations, it is merely a change in ownership to provide better opportunities for the investment (i.e. the investment is not held for sale).</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">Then this is a materiality question, first question is what is the impact of deconsolidation on net assets, turnover, operating result, if the year sums (income statement) or balance sheet amounts in itself are already affecting the financial statement materially (professional judgment) the de-cognition has to be pro-rato from the discontinuing date, so up to the date of de-consolidation consolidated full results in P&amp;L, from that date on equity accounting with one line net result from investments. It might be necessary to provide an impact of the de-consolidation on an annual basis by stating the net assets and a summary of the income statement of the de-consolidated part for the year.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">If the de-consolidation in itself is not material then it is simple, just start the net equity accounting from the beginning of the year.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">There is off course also an in-between: The impact may be material but the transaction was that close to opening or ending balance date that either the complete income statement may be left out or the complete income statement may be left in.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">So it is a matter of looking precisely at what is going on,</span></span></p>
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Please help in confirming the merger entry for the following case:
 
Company A acquired 50% interest in Company B during 2004. The other 50% was held by the Company C, Company A&#8217;s Parent Company. Upon acquisition, Company A recognized a goodwill under purchase method of accounting. 
 
Cost 100
Investment in B &#8211; 50
Goodwill 50
 
During 2006, the 50% shares held by the Parent Company was transferred to Company A, giving it the full ownership of Company B. The parent agreed that the credit of 50% will go to ADDITIONAL PAID IN CAPITAL (APIC). During 2006, the ...


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<div><span>Please help in confirming the merger entry for the following case:</span></div>
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<div><span>Company A acquired 50% interest in Company B during 2004. The other 50% was held by the Company C, Company A&#8217;s Parent Company. Upon acquisition, Company A recognized a goodwill under purchase method of accounting. </span></div>
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<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Cost 100</span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Investment in B &#8211; 50</span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Goodwill 50</span></span></div>
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<div><span>During 2006, the 50% shares held by the Parent Company was transferred to Company A, giving it the full ownership of Company B. The parent agreed that the credit of 50% will go to ADDITIONAL PAID IN CAPITAL (APIC). During 2006, the following is the Stockholders&#8217; equity of Company B:</span></div>
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<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Assets    300</span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Liabilities 100</span></span></div>
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<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Common Stock 100</span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Retained Earnings 50</span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Share-based compensation reserve 50</span></span></div>
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<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">In 2007, a merger between Companies A and B took place. The merger will be accounted for using the pooling of interest method.  </span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Upon consolidation of books, the following entry was made.</span></span></div>
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<div><span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><strong>Assets        300</strong></span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><strong>Goodwill       50  </strong></span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><strong>              Liabilities                     100</strong></span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><strong>              Investment in B           50    </strong></span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><strong>              APIC                               ???        </strong></span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><strong>              (50% of equity)   </strong></span></span></div>
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<div><span>Thanks in advance! </span></div>
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<div><span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;">The pooling of interest method is not allowed under ifrs3 rules. you have to find an acquirer.</span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;">Could anyone suggest which articles of IAS are important for Treasury, Cash Flow and Working Capital Management.</span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;">Is there any web site link where I could find material about policies and techniques for managment of working capital?</span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;">Thank you.</span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial;">Lado </span></span></div>
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i have got a question on transfer of shares involving share permium, can any one help ? 
 
Facts : 
(1) A holds 100% on C.  
 
(2) C &#8217;s capital structure : 10,000 shares of US$1 par value. 
 
(3) A has invested in Co C of USD 1m for share capital of USD 10,000 and share premium of USD 990,000. 
 
(4) C incurs a loss and has negative net assets value. 
 
If structure changes that there is an immediate holding co of  C named B, then A holds 100% on B and then B 100% on C.
 
Questions :
(1) Can A transfer the shares to B at consideration of USD 1 ...


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello</p>
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<div style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small;">i have got a question on transfer of shares involving share permium, can any one help ? </span></span></div>
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<div style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Facts : </span></span></div>
<p style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(1) A holds 100% on C.<span>  </span></span></span></span></p>
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<div style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(2) C &#8217;s capital structure : 10,000 shares of US$1 par value. </span></span></div>
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<div style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">(3)</span><span lang="EN-US"> A has invested in Co C of USD 1m for share capital of USD </span><span lang="EN-US">10,000 and share premium of USD 990,000. </span></span></span></div>
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<div style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(4) C incurs a loss and has negative net assets value. </span></span></div>
<p style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">If structure changes that there is an immediate holding co of  C </span><span lang="EN-US">named B, then A holds 100% on B and then B </span><span lang="EN-US">100% on C.</span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Questions :</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">(1) Can A transfer the shares to B at consideration of USD 1 </span><span lang="EN-US">in the fact that C has negative NAV ? </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">(2) What is accounting entry in A&#8217;s books in USGAAP? written off the </span><span lang="EN-US">investment as impairment ? </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">(3) What is accounting entry in B&#8217;s books in USGAAP ? How to account for the investment </span><span lang="EN-US">?</span></span></span></p>
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<div style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(4) Can we write off the share premium in C ?  </span></span></div>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Thanks,</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Shirley</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">To start with is A holding its investment against cost or against equity value?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">I presume equity value,</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">1. A</span></span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"> has to transfer its holding to B against fair (market)  value (transactions between related companies) as would be the case between normal parties, that value may be USD 1 (I do not know). </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">2. A</span></span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"> will value the investment against net equity value/net assets value, based on the same accounting rules as used in the consolidated accounts. This is not an impairment but a &#8216;regular&#8217; result on investment in subsidiaries (loss), accounted for in the income statement. An impairment would be a more permanent downward valuation based on more fundamental changes in the business environment etc that were not foreseen at the moment of investment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">3. B will account for C at the initial recognition at cost (e.g. USD 1) and then against net equity value/net assets value applying the same accounting rules as A and C. i.e. the value would be the same as in A&#8217;s books.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">pan style=&#8221;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;&#8221;&gt;4. The share premium will only be reduced when paid back to the shareholders. The losses incurred in C will be reported under a separate reporting line in equity, for example accumulated losses or other reserves. Share premium will always remain a separate reporting line within equity, unless completely repaid to the owners of the share capital.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">Hope this helps,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">Henk </span></span></p>
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<p>Let me clarify more on the case. Hope someone can help.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">To start with is A holding its investment against cost or against equity value? <span style="color: #993399;"><strong>equity value</strong></span></span></span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">I presume equity value,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"> </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;">1. A</span></span><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"> has to transfer its holding to B against fair (market)  value (transactions between related companies) as would be the case between normal parties, that value may be USD 1 (I do not know). <span style="color: #993399;"><strong>A, B and C still in a same group : A&#8212;&gt; 100% in B&#8212;&#8211;&gt;100% in C, just wondering the consideration/ purchase price of USD 1 is allowable even in related companies ? In normal case, if it is a 3rd party, there will be no problem. </strong></span></span></span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #cc66cc; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><strong>I am asking on A&#8217;s books on company level when A disposes investment in C. Is the entry below is correct ? </strong></span></span></div>
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<div><span style="color: #cc66cc;"><strong>Dr. Bank    USD 1</strong></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #cc66cc;"><strong>Cr. Investment USD 1m</strong></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #cc66cc;"><strong>Cr. Impairment &#8211; P/L  USD 999,999</strong></span></div>
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<div><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">B&#8217;s book on company level </span></strong></div>
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<div><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">Entry 1</span></strong></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="color: #cc66cc;"><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">Dr. Investment</span>               USD 1,000,000 (if book as 1m investment, it can eliminate directly with share cap and share premium in C) </strong></span></span></span></span></div>
<p><span lang="EN-US"><span style="color: #cc66cc;"><strong>Cr. Impairment / Negative goodwill     USD 999,999 (should be in P/L or B/S?) [negative goodwill concept]</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"><span style="color: #cc66cc;"><strong>Cr. Bank    USD   1</strong></span></span></p>
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<div><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">Entry 2</span></strong></div>
<div><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">Dr. Investment USD 1</span></strong></div>
<div><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">Cr. Bank         USD 1<br />
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<div><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #cc66cc; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000080; font-family: Arial;"><span lang="EN-US"><strong>If so, how can it eliminate the share cap and share premium (USD 1m) in C on consolidation level ? </strong></span></span></span></div>
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<div><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">Consolidation elimination adjustment :</span></strong></div>
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<div><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">Dr. Share capital and Share premium [C's books]  USD 1m</span></strong></div>
<div><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">Cr. Investment [B's books]     USD 1</span></strong></div>
<div><strong><span style="color: #cc66cc;">Cr. which a/c ????????         USD 999,999 </span></strong></div>
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